I "heart" the "bat" man Donald Griffin (sadly, never met him). But, no, hadn't read that book (but will add to my list). Had read and loved "Animal Minds" - another book that had gotten him in a lot of trouble. (Griff, at Dr. P's lab, is named after him.)
It was interesting, though, last night's conversation concerned "proving" consciousness in humans and animals and the potential of consciousness of future machines.
PS. Was so happy to hear a couple years ago that the bat colony that he'd studied back in the 30's are officially protected.
--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Jonathan Harris wrote:
From: Jonathan Harris
Subject: Re: [Media-advisors] Cool quote for other pioneers
To: "Mickaboo media advisor team"
Cc: glassgerrie@gmail.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 7:21 AM
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Have you ever read Donald Griffin's The Question of Animal Awareness (1979)? It really cut a path through the intellectual wilderness as it was then.
For more inspiration, (re)read Bury the Chains, Adam Hochschild's history of the Abolition movement. A lot of it focuses on the enormous changes in public consciousness that took place in the late 18th & early 19th centuries - the first time in history, Hochschild points out, that "a large number of people became outraged, and stayed outraged for many years, over someone else's rights...." Many similarities and much to be learned from that movement.
-j
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From: Mary Long
Sent: Aug 14, 2010 11:00 PM
To: Mickaboo media advisor team
Cc: glassgerrie@gmail.com
Subject: [Media-advisors] Cool quote for other pioneers
Had to share this cool quote tonight after the Singularity Summit: Dr. Terry Sejnowski asked Dr. P., referring to all ultra harsh-scrutiny studying animal cognition esp. in the early years, “Do you know the difference between the pioneers and those that follow? The pioneers have the arrows in their backs.”
So figure, as this pet-store ban continues to move forward - everyone who has helped to move this ban along will be able to recognize one-another by the arrows collected.
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