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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 10PM
by Jonathan Harris 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 10PM
by Jonathan Harris 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

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Re: [Media-advisors] Something else to take to the meeting with SFACC
by Pamela Lee 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

An otrs queue may work. Not so much asm imho - cuz we would likely not get all the info asm wants. Sent from my Peek - Pam ------------------------------------- AMuse<amuse(a)foofus.com> wrote: Maybe we should start a "Could not intake" queue in OTRS... or a field in ASM? We could enter any attempted intakes into ASM and then mark ones we couldn't accommodate? On Aug 7, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Vincent J. Hrovat" <1217(a)vhrovat.org> wrote: > Pam, > > > > Please bear in mind (and you probably already know this) that the list that Matt refers to below does not generally include non-intakes - that is, birds that someone tried to surrender to us but which we were unable to take. Most of the cockatiel "aviary" surrenders or five or more birds like those mentioned by Martha yesterday are not intakes because we simply don't have the bandwidth. I have seen probably a dozen such requests of between five and maybe 70 (yes, really) cockatiels in the past year. Most of them are for about 10 birds. I think that we want people to know about these because, among other things, they show that we are at overload. > > > > --VH > > > > From: media-advisors-bounces(a)mickaboo.org [mailto:media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of AMuse > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:11 AM > To: media-advisors(a)mickaboo.org > Subject: [Media-advisors] Something else to take to the meeting with SFACC > > > > > > Hi all; > > The request for specific OTRS dumps of a certain time period in a "large file folder" format may be tricky for me today, so just to make sure you have something good to bring to the meeting (in case I fail): > > http://mickaboo.org/our-birds/print/2010surrenders.html > > That link prints an "adoption book" style document. The name, photo and story for every bird surrendered so far in 2010 (210 so far). It should print one per page. (Works in Firefox) > >

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Something else to take to the meeting with SFACC
by AMuse 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

Hi all; The request for specific OTRS dumps of a certain time period in a "large file folder" format may be tricky for me today, so just to make sure you have something good to bring to the meeting (in case I fail): http://mickaboo.org/our-birds/print/2010surrenders.html [1] That link prints an "adoption book" style document. The name, photo and story for every bird surrendered so far in 2010 (210 so far). It should print one per page. (Works in Firefox) Links: ------ [1] http://mickaboo.org/our-birds/print/2010surrenders.html

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Re: [Media-advisors] Something else to take to the meeting with SFACC
by Pamela Lee 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

Viiny - I know. Hadn't responded cuz am working on a birdie train for tonight. Preference is for otrs tix for your cited reason. Sent on the go from my Peek ------------------------------------- Vincent J. Hrovat<1217(a)vhrovat.org> wrote: Pam, Please bear in mind (and you probably already know this) that the list that Matt refers to below does not generally include non-intakes - that is, birds that someone tried to surrender to us but which we were unable to take. Most of the cockatiel "aviary" surrenders or five or more birds like those mentioned by Martha yesterday are not intakes because we simply don't have the bandwidth. I have seen probably a dozen such requests of between five and maybe 70 (yes, really) cockatiels in the past year. Most of them are for about 10 birds. I think that we want people to know about these because, among other things, they show that we are at overload. --VH From: media-advisors-bounces(a)mickaboo.org [mailto:media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of AMuse Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:11 AM To: media-advisors(a)mickaboo.org Subject: [Media-advisors] Something else to take to the meeting with SFACC Hi all; The request for specific OTRS dumps of a certain time period in a "large file folder" format may be tricky for me today, so just to make sure you have something good to bring to the meeting (in case I fail): http://mickaboo.org/our-birds/print/2010surrenders.html That link prints an "adoption book" style document. The name, photo and story for every bird surrendered so far in 2010 (210 so far). It should print one per page. (Works in Firefox)

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FW: Working Group Update August 7, 9AM
by Elizabeth Y 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

FYI -----Original Message----- From: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:59 AM To: SaveABunny(a)aol.com Cc: Rose Harris <harris.rose(a)att.net>; Elliot M. Katz DVM <emk(a)idausa.org>; Elizabeth Young <adoptkings(a)gmail.com>; Sally Stephens <stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>; Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com>; Kim Flaherty <kflaherty(a)pacbell.net>; Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org; jchick73(a)yahoo.com; Teresa Murphy <teresa(a)cavyspirit.com> Subject: Re: Working Group Update August 7, 9AM Hi Marcy, I feel 10 speakers on each side last meeting was sufficient. I am planning to recommend something, based on last month's testimony and interim meetings, and have public comment which could be extensive on its own. We haven't submitted our agenda yet. We have until 5 on Monday for it to be posted by the webmaster to comply with 72 hours notice. It will probably be submitted well before that time however on Monday. If there is a/are compelling argument/s for more invited speakers please give me a call. 415 641-7457. Thank you, Philip On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:33 AM, SaveABunny(a)aol.com wrote: I am going to send info about the meeting to a number of lists and ask people to attend. Also, is there the opportunity again for featured experts speakers? If so, how much time would they have? Marcy Schaaf Founder, SaveABunny www.saveabunny.org www.saveabunny.etsy.com 415-388-2790 "A New Generation of Rabbit Rescue" Save A Bunny. Save A Life. In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:24:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, glassgerrie(a)gmail.com writes: I agree with Marcy's comments. I suggest getting the word out about the next ACWC meeting coming up this Thursday at 5:30 room 408 at City Hall to those that would like to see a ban. Last month the Animal Company was out in numbers. We should also stop by local pet supply stores to hear what they think and for them to possibly come to speak at the meeting. The phone book has listings of pet stores and pet supply stores. Thanks, Philip On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:54 PM, SaveABunny(a)aol.com wrote: HI all, After sitting in on the meeting today with the pet store owners trying to determine if a compromise was possible versus a complete ban on the sale of animals, here's my impressions (for what they are worth): > The owner of the Animal Company is essentially not really willing to compromise. He and his friend, Claudia from The Basic Bird in Berkeley, are both very antagonistic, looking for confrontation and eager to distort facts and statements to their favor. While they say they agree to "education' they are not really willing to do anything different, since they already feel like they know it all and don't want rescues "telling them what to do". They feel that putting up a flyer in their store about a rescue group is doing enough. Recommendation: If possible isolate them. Position them as hardliners vs. other more workable stores. These two are the "leaders" and the people who are causing the majority of ill will and creating PR opportunities for themselves as the victims. > Personally, I think it's a big mistake to focus so much time and energy on trying to placate the very few stores that DO sell animals. The majority of stores in SF do not sell animals. This very important point is being lost in the mind of the public and the media as it seems like a large number of small businesses are being penalized somehow and that's simply not true. Kat, is it possible to get some statistics on the number of stores that do or do not sell animals? While a workable compromise with education would be nice, I do not think that will happen without some sort of oversight---based on the lack of current educational info being given out by these stores. Just because someone has been in business for 30 years, it doesn't equate to knowing updated or proper care for the animals. In summary, I think a strong strategy would be to approach the majority of stores that do NOT sell animals to get them to help back a ban. Being able to demonstrate that it's possible to be profitable as a pet store without selling animals is key and is an excellent discussion to use in PR. Nothing would be more powerful than having the backing of a significant number of pet store owners in SF. Thanks again everyone for being such a great advocate for the animals, Marcy Schaaf Founder, SaveABunny www.saveabunny.org www.saveabunny.etsy.com 415-388-2790 "A New Generation of Rabbit Rescue" Save A Bunny. Save A Life. =

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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6
by Pamela Lee 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

Matt, Can you create a file of otrs tix created in the past 3 months - all queues minus Junk - and send that to me sometime Saturday (preferably early afternoon)? If you can, I should have enough time during the fair to cull out surrenders and redact as necessary - and have it printed for the 8/12 mtg. Sent from my Peek - Pam ------------------------------------- Vincent J. Hrovat<1217(a)vhrovat.org> wrote: Seriously, if we wanted to print up and collate these OTRS tickets and drop them on the table with a thud next time somebody says there isn't an overpopulation problem, that's fair game, IMO. We'd need to remove sensitive information (names of surrenderers, details about Mickaboo operations, etc.) but we get the kinds of requests that Martha described all the time. If we mention one or two cases, I'm sure Rick will dismiss them as anecdotal exceptions, but if we dumped a few months' worth of these in front of the people around him, his denial would get pretty lonely. Even better (and I am not suggesting this :-)) we could just call his pet store each time we get a request to take in a mega-batch to be sure that they know about it and see if they want to help. --VH -----Original Message----- From: media-advisors-bounces(a)mickaboo.org [mailto:media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of Martha Kudlacik Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:59 PM To: Mickaboo media advisor team Subject: Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 AND take all their offspring - look at that, free birds! On Aug 6, 2010, at 10:54 PM, AMuse wrote: > Maybe if the ban fails, they could require pet sellers to chip and > register animals pre-sale, so rescue groups can bill the pet store > for the eventual surrender. Surely they wouldn't be against the > identification of the "precious pets"!! > > > > On Aug 6, 2010, at 10:31 PM, "Marthak816(a)gmail.com" > <marthak816(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is anybody talking stats? >> We have had the following requests in the LAST 2 WEEKS: >> Man moving - must rehome 14 aviary cockatiels >> Couple moving - need to rescue 19 aviary cockatiels from "being >> set free" >> Phone request to rehome 30 cockatiels from a single home >> >> I swear to God the next person who says there's no overpopulation >> problem is getting 50 cockatiels let loose in their house. Or >> maybe their store - much better impact. >> -----Original Message----- >> Date: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:02:54 pm >> To: "Mickaboo media advisor team" <media-advisors(a)mickaboo.org> >> From: "Elizabeth Young" <adoptkings(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 >> >> booyah! >> >> (Karen- please accept my apologies for worrying that expanding to >> include >> non-bird rescues in today's meeting was a misstep. i stand >> corrected. ey) >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: <SaveABunny(a)aol.com> >> Date: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Working Group Update August 6 >> To: harris.rose(a)att.net, glassgerrie(a)gmail.com, emk(a)idausa.org >> Cc: adoptkings(a)gmail.com, stephensfw(a)mindspring.com, >> pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com, >> kflaherty(a)pacbell.net, Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org, jchick73(a)yahoo.com >> >> >> HI all, >> After sitting in on the meeting today with the pet store owners >> trying to >> determine if a compromise was possible versus a complete ban on >> the sale of >> animals, here's my impressions (for what they are worth): >> >>> The owner of the Animal Company is essentially not really willing >> to compromise. He and his friend, Claudia from The Basic Bird in >> Berkeley, >> are both very antagonistic, looking for confrontation and eager to >> distort >> facts and statements to their favor. While they say they a >> >

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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6
by Marthak816＠gmail.com 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

Is anybody talking stats? We have had the following requests in the LAST 2 WEEKS: Man moving - must rehome 14 aviary cockatiels Couple moving - need to rescue 19 aviary cockatiels from "being set free" Phone request to rehome 30 cockatiels from a single home I swear to God the next person who says there's no overpopulation problem is getting 50 cockatiels let loose in their house. Or maybe their store - much better impact. -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:02:54 pm To: "Mickaboo media advisor team" <media-advisors(a)mickaboo.org> From: "Elizabeth Young" <adoptkings(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 booyah! (Karen- please accept my apologies for worrying that expanding to include non-bird rescues in today's meeting was a misstep. i stand corrected. ey) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <SaveABunny(a)aol.com> Date: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Working Group Update August 6 To: harris.rose(a)att.net, glassgerrie(a)gmail.com, emk(a)idausa.org Cc: adoptkings(a)gmail.com, stephensfw(a)mindspring.com, pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com, kflaherty(a)pacbell.net, Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org, jchick73(a)yahoo.com HI all, After sitting in on the meeting today with the pet store owners trying to determine if a compromise was possible versus a complete ban on the sale of animals, here's my impressions (for what they are worth): > The owner of the Animal Company is essentially not really willing to compromise. He and his friend, Claudia from The Basic Bird in Berkeley, are both very antagonistic, looking for confrontation and eager to distort facts and statements to their favor. While they say they a

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Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 10PM
by Elizabeth Young 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Working Group Update August 6 10PM To: SaveABunny(a)aol.com Cc: Rose Harris <harris.rose(a)att.net>, "Elliot M. Katz DVM" <emk(a)idausa.org>, Elizabeth Young <adoptkings(a)gmail.com>, Sally Stephens < stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>, Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com>, Kim Flaherty <kflaherty(a)pacbell.net>, Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org, jchick73(a)yahoo.com, Teresa Murphy <teresa(a)cavyspirit.com> I agree with Marcy's comments. I suggest getting the word out about the next ACWC meeting coming up this Thursday at 5:30 room 408 at City Hall to those that would like to see a ban. Last month the Animal Company was out in numbers. We should also stop by local pet supply stores to hear what they think and for them to possibly come to speak at the meeting. The phone book has listings of pet stores and pet supply stores. Thanks, Philip On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:54 PM, SaveABunny(a)aol.com wrote: HI all, After sitting in on the meeting today with the pet store owners trying to determine if a compromise was possible versus a complete ban on the sale of animals, here's my impressions (for what they are worth): > The owner of the Animal Company is essentially not really willing to compromise. He and his friend, Claudia from The Basic Bird in Berkeley, are both very antagonistic, looking for confrontation and eager to distort facts and statements to their favor. While they say they agree to "education' they are not really willing to do anything different, since they already feel like they know it all and don't want rescues "telling them what to do". They feel that putting up a flyer in their store about a rescue group is doing enough. Recommendation: If possible isolate them. Position them as hardliners vs. other more workable stores. These two are the "leaders" and the people who are causing the majority of ill will and creating PR opportunities for themselves as the victims. > Personally, I think it's a big mistake to focus so much time and energy on trying to placate the very few stores that DO sell animals. The majority of stores in SF do not sell animals. This very important point is being lost in the mind of the public and the media as it seems like a large number of small businesses are being penalized somehow and that's simply not true. Kat, is it possible to get some statistics on the number of stores that do or do not sell animals? While a workable compromise with education would be nice, I do not think that will happen without some sort of oversight---based on the lack of current educational info being given out by these stores. Just because someone has been in business for 30 years, it doesn't equate to knowing updated or proper care for the animals. In summary, I think a strong strategy would be to approach the majority of stores that do NOT sell animals to get them to help back a ban. Being able to demonstrate that it's possible to be profitable as a pet store without selling animals is key and is an excellent discussion to use in PR. Nothing would be more powerful than having the backing of a significant number of pet store owners in SF. Thanks again everyone for being such a great advocate for the animals, Marcy Schaaf Founder, SaveABunny www.saveabunny.org www.saveabunny.etsy.com 415-388-2790 "A New Generation of Rabbit Rescue" Save A Bunny. Save A Life. -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

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Fwd: Working Group Update August 6
by Elizabeth Young 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

booyah! (Karen- please accept my apologies for worrying that expanding to include non-bird rescues in today's meeting was a misstep. i stand corrected. ey) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <SaveABunny(a)aol.com> Date: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Working Group Update August 6 To: harris.rose(a)att.net, glassgerrie(a)gmail.com, emk(a)idausa.org Cc: adoptkings(a)gmail.com, stephensfw(a)mindspring.com, pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com, kflaherty(a)pacbell.net, Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org, jchick73(a)yahoo.com HI all, After sitting in on the meeting today with the pet store owners trying to determine if a compromise was possible versus a complete ban on the sale of animals, here's my impressions (for what they are worth): > The owner of the Animal Company is essentially not really willing to compromise. He and his friend, Claudia from The Basic Bird in Berkeley, are both very antagonistic, looking for confrontation and eager to distort facts and statements to their favor. While they say they agree to "education' they are not really willing to do anything different, since they already feel like they know it all and don't want rescues "telling them what to do". They feel that putting up a flyer in their store about a rescue group is doing enough. Recommendation: If possible isolate them. Position them as hardliners vs. other more workable stores. These two are the "leaders" and the people who are causing the majority of ill will and creating PR opportunities for themselves as the victims. > Personally, I think it's a big mistake to focus so much time and energy on trying to placate the very few stores that DO sell animals. The majority of stores in SF do not sell animals. This very important point is being lost in the mind of the public and the media as it seems like a large number of small businesses are being penalized somehow and that's simply not true. Kat, is it possible to get some statistics on the number of stores that do or do not sell animals? While a workable compromise with education would be nice, I do not think that will happen without some sort of oversight---based on the lack of current educational info being given out by these stores. Just because someone has been in business for 30 years, it doesn't equate to knowing updated or proper care for the animals. In summary, I think a strong strategy would be to approach the majority of stores that do NOT sell animals to get them to help back a ban. Being able to demonstrate that it's possible to be profitable as a pet store without selling animals is key and is an excellent discussion to use in PR. Nothing would be more powerful than having the backing of a significant number of pet store owners in SF. Thanks again everyone for being such a great advocate for the animals, Marcy Schaaf Founder, SaveABunny www.saveabunny.org www.saveabunny.etsy.com 415-388-2790 "A New Generation of Rabbit Rescue" Save A Bunny. Save A Life. -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

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