ditto. it still stinks of 'let's throw something together to appease the awc and stop the progress of the ban". tammy On Sep 16, 2010, at 4:23 PM, AMuse wrote:

I'm sure I don't have to say, that I do NOT like her answers.

On 9/16/10 4:17 PM, Elizabeth Young wrote:

...

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pam Hemphill Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM Subject: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re- homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Philip Gerrie , Sally Stephens , Rebecca Katz , Kat Brown , adoptkings@gmail.com, pambudgie@yahoo.com, tammyazzaro@gmail.com

Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill Cc: Marilyn Hawley

Dear Pam,

Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found.

In answer to your questions:

With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back?

Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds.

Regarding your second bullet point, what does “pet quality” mean?

Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics – beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc.

Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the “other alternatives” for “apparently ill” birds?

That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some “rescues” have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases.

What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way.

These are the birds we most want to help.

Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds?

The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems.

How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or?

All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember.

Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill?

The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco.

Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I don’t expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high.

Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October.

Thank You.

Mary Ellen LePage

Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission San Francisco, California

-- Elizabeth

Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

Tammy Azzaro Mickaboo♡

:-) On Sep 16, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Vincent J. Hrovat wrote:

Her answer reminds me of when I was six years old and was determined to build a rocket ship out of some old plywood and an electric fan motor. It seemed so easy and I was so naïve . . . .

--VH

From: media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org [mailto:media-advisors- bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:17 PM To: Mickaboo media advisor team Subject: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pam Hemphill Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM Subject: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re- homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Philip Gerrie , Sally Stephens , Rebecca Katz , Kat Brown , adoptkings@gmail.com, pambudgie@yahoo.com, tammyazzaro@gmail.com

Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill Cc: Marilyn Hawley

Dear Pam,

Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found.

In answer to your questions:

With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back?

Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds.

Regarding your second bullet point, what does “pet quality” mean?

Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics – beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc.

Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the “other alternatives” for “apparently ill” birds?

That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some “rescues” have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases.

What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way.

These are the birds we most want to help.

Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds?

The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re- home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems.

How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or?

All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember.

Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill?

The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco.

Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I don’t expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high.

Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October.

Thank You.

Mary Ellen LePage

Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission San Francisco, California

-- Elizabeth

Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

Tammy Azzaro Mickaboo♡

"Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird" Usually...but I'm betting not often enough to keep those birds from being euthanized. On 9/16/10, Patricia Blau wrote:

seemingly good intentions, unintended consequences

On Sep 16, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Vincent J. Hrovat wrote:

...

Her answer reminds me of when I was six years old and was determined to build a rocket ship out of some old plywood and an electric fan motor. It seemed so easy and I was so naïve . . . .

--VH

From: media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org [mailto:media-advisors- bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:17 PM To: Mickaboo media advisor team Subject: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pam Hemphill Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM Subject: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re- homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Philip Gerrie , Sally Stephens , Rebecca Katz , Kat Brown , adoptkings@gmail.com, pambudgie@yahoo.com, tammyazzaro@gmail.com

Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill Cc: Marilyn Hawley

Dear Pam,

Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found.

In answer to your questions:

With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back?

Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds.

Regarding your second bullet point, what does “pet quality” mean?

Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics – beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc.

Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the “other alternatives” for “apparently ill” birds?

That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some “rescues” have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases.

What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way.

These are the birds we most want to help.

Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds?

The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re- home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems.

How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or?

All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember.

Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill?

The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco.

Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I don’t expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high.

Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October.

Thank You.

Mary Ellen LePage

Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission San Francisco, California

-- Elizabeth

Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0