And Philip agrees. Nothing needs to be proved. We've all got more than enough real work. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Yesney Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:27 PM To: Mickaboo media advisor team Subject: Re: [Media-advisors] Mickaboo should bring our 2010 $80K vet bills to the meeting Hold on.  I don't think we have to prove anything to Rick French or anyone else about our vet bills.  And I absolutely refuse to ask Pam to spend hours copying vet bills.  The woman is being run off her feet. I'm also not sure that our vets want their bills broadcast to the media and everyone in between.  Everyone in Bay Area will be asking for the same kinds of prices, for one thing. I think there is a better way to do this.  Perhaps even a copy of part of our tax return?  What are we trying to prove and to whom?  who doubts our word about our vet bills? Michelle On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Pamela Lee wrote: And the copying work would fall to me ....  I think I wouldn't need to redact anything, but I'll have to see. Certainly our credit card # would need to be hidden. Would a listing be good enough? (easier to do)  And what are we trying to prove (sorry if I have missed the point) with this again? and, I'm trying to think of what takes priority - the otrs tix thing or this copying if you truly want copies. Cuz either effort will take hours. Sent from my Peek - Pam ------------------------------------- Elizabeth Young wrote: I'd love to tell the Commissioners that we're bringing them copies of our vet bills for 2010 to date... that would be the way to expose Rick. ??? e On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mary Long wrote:

  Could we ask if he can have his veterinary invoices available, too? (Letterhead intact, please)

--- On *Sat, 8/7/10, Karen Watkins * wrote:

From: Karen Watkins

Subject: Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 10PM To: "'Jonathan Harris'" , "'Mickaboo media advisor team'" Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 2:46 PM

 We can ask if Rick will his financial statements available before the vote.

*From:* media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org [mailto: media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Harris *Sent:* Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:00 PM *To:* Mickaboo media advisor team *Subject:* Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 10PM

 You're right, of course. Nevertheless, it would be fun if someone Thursday night could bring up Rick's boast/assurance in an offhanded way - either to embarrass him either into admitting he's full of bluff 'n stuff or worse that the facility refuses to open its doors to us, or to embarrass him into wrangling us a guided tour.

-j

  -----Original Message----- From: "Vincent J. Hrovat" <1217@vhrovat.org> Sent: Aug 7, 2010 3:50 PM To: 'Mickaboo media advisor team' Subject: Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 10PM

  Jonathan, thank you for the insight. It sounds to me like the idea of us visiting Central Pet  / Preferred Birds was posited by Rick in his from-the-hip mode (shoot first and ask questions later). I have serious doubts about whether Central Pet would really let us visit their facility for a show-and-tell; in fact, I think that any bird breeding and distribution that they do is kept as out-of-the-public-eye as is legally possible for a publicly-traded company. Besides, most of Rick's other from-the-hip stuff is ill-advised at best. I also don't think it's wise to dwell too much on this topic because, as others have said, the matter at hand is the retailers and not the breeders, and it might obfuscate things to put too much focus on what Central Pet is doing.

 On the other hand, I would really like to get as much about Central Pet as we can. If at all possible, I would love to be able to get some real and current information that we could pass on to Mira, other rescues, et al. Elizabeth, do you think it would be prudent to follow up on this topic with ACWC (if not with Rick directly) to see if it can lead anywhere?

--VH

*From:* media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org [mailto: media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Harris *Sent:* Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:30 AM *To:* Mickaboo media advisor team *Subject:* Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Working Group Update August 6 10PM

I'm sorry to be sending this so late. Elizabeth - thank you for your diligence in getting notes and names and reflections out to everyone!

It was a frustrating meeting in many ways. With an exception or two, I think most in attendance were trying to be respectful, but without a facilitator, contributions more-or-less depended on people's ability to break in, which meant the discussion veered all over the place. Rick and Claudia had their backs up and were not in a mood to listen. Much of the time they were defensive, accusatory or simply obtuse, misinterpreting what was said.

I was disappointed we were not able to steer the conversation more toward the specific needs of birds, tho Elizabeth and I tried at various points