Elizabeth, I have spoken at length about the fact that the
smaller birds still have a very long life-span compared to most other pets. I
think that this topic is a good way to justify why smaller birds should (must)
be included in this ban. Here are two statements which I think combine to
summarize this topic effectively:
1.) Lots of people are expressing appropriate concern about older
dogs, 8+ years, who aren’t wanted any more. Cockatiels live more than
twice as long as dogs and lots of people are getting tired of them just as
quickly.
2.) if we’re struggling to place so many cockatiels that were
born 8, 10, 20 years ago, where are these tens of thousands of birds being
warehouse-bred today going to go?
You can refer to the list of re-entrant examples that I gave you
if you want to describe how relatively older birds are coming back into our
system. If you wanted them, I could rattle off many other examples of older
birds either coming into our system for the first time or being re-surrendered
by previous adopters. My biggest limitation in doing this would be time. I
think that getting too deeply into examples, however, has a diminishing return
and, regardless, someone is going to claim that hand-picked examples do not
illustrate the big picture accurately. I’m wondering if there’s
a way that we could get statistics about how many older cockatiels and budgies
we get in from ASM.
--VH
From:
media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org
[mailto:media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Y
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:29 AM
To: Mickaboo media advisor team
Subject: [Media-advisors] IMPORTANT FW: Working Group Update July 23
11PM
I know we've answered the question about
which birds before but I think we need to provide an answer that we would
publish. Can anybody write something up?
And see Wing Foundation video below.
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From:
Philip
Gerrie <glassgerrie@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23,
2010 11:32 PM
To: harris.rose@att.net
Cc: Elizabeth Y
<adoptkings@gmail.com>; Sally Stephens <stephensfw@mindspring.com>;
saveABunny@aol.com; Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill@gmail.com>; Kim Flaherty
<kflaherty@pacbell.net>; Elliot M. Katz DVM <emk@idausa.org>
Subject: Working Group Update
July 23 11PM
A couple of queries. As we consider a ban on the sale of birds, do we
consider all birds or just the exotic parrot species as delineated by
HSUS?
Canaries, finches, cockatiels, parakeets, and lovebirds are
birds who have a long history of selective breeding in captivity and can be
considered domesticated strains of wild species. Their basic needs are more
easily met, proper supplies to care for them are readily available, and these
birds can live long, happy lives in a caring home.
In comparison, birds like conures, parrots (of whom there are
many varieties), macaws, cockatoos, and toucans are problematic because they
have not undergone the same process of long captive breeding and genetic
selection. These birds are still wild animals, even when bred in captivity. As
such, their normal behavior can make them difficult and demanding to live with.
Dana Strome's video of her bird house in the Mission, http://sfpublicpress.org/news/2010-06/bird-shrink,
Comments? From the video can you see problems with how she is keeping care of
her 50 parrots?
That's it for now, Philip
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I didn't know Ken White wrote for SFGATE. Do you know if
he's on any type of submission schedule for them? I always read his pieces in
The Examiner but they stopped carrying him. He can be good. I thought
his article was good, thanks for letting us know about it.
I looked this up this AM I thought it was very well written. You may have seen it
already. Philip On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:54 PM, Philip Gerrie wrote:
I will call Ed Buck in LA about sunsetting time allowance
and the small business perspective. He's been very helpful. He originally
introduced in West Hollywood the dog and cat ban. I don't remember if
the issue came up there. Philip Begin forwarded message:
From: "Elliot
Katz" <emk@idausa.org> Date: July
20, 2010 8:20:35 AM PDT To: "'Philip
Gerrie'" <glassgerrie@earthlink.net> Subject: FW: Working Group Update July 20 6:25 AM Reply-To: <emk@idausa.org> Hi
Philip, you might want to call the LA people and get their input. Did this
issue come up there? From: Philip Gerrie [mailto:glassgerrie@gmail.com] I've expanded this list a bit. Let me know if anyone does
not want to be on it. I could use some help in this Small Business Commission
angle. It sounds like Rick, of the Animal Company, thinks his business
interests should trump animal welfare concerns. Are their precedents to
cite?? Sally is out of town so I'll be going. Also what are suggested
phase-out times if the ban is approved for existing pet stores?? One
year? Two years? Three years? more?? Philip
On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Philip Gerrie wrote: Rebecca intends to talk, one to one, with the Mayor soon
so he can understand what the concerns and issues are. That should
help. Pam and I met with 11 of the twelve Supervisor's aides or
interns today. Many Supervisors, we were told, care a lot about animals,
witness the recent Meatless Monday resolution, first passed in SF and taken
up in cities all over the world. That all seemed open to what we would
be proposing. Several asked if we had a sponsor yet, needing at least one
Supervisor to actually take it on. We don't and won't until we vote on
something. Several had had conversations already with Rebecca. All
in all, better than we had hoped after having been flooded, in some
cases, with PIJAC and NAIA inspired e-mails. http://www.pijac.org/petinformation/breakingnews.asp and http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/issues/alert/?alertid=15168701&type=CU. The aides suggested being specific to what we propose
versus just "pets" for instance. I am unclear of whether to propose
banning all birds or just of the parrot species along the lines of HSUS.
Another concern was when should go into effect. Immediately for dogs and
cats. 3-6 months for 'smalls' and ?? (three years) more? less?for the birds.
Thoughts? PIJAC is interesting in that they oppose anything and
everything having to do with legislating selling animals. They oppose banning
a sale of pythons and constrictors as they take over the Everglades. Any
further comments or reflections Pam? Loose lips sink ships, so be wary of forwarding this
around. Philip On Jul 19, 2010, at 2:49 PM, LDY wrote:
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