September 2010 - Media-advisors

can we use this INSANITY for a press release/story?
by Martha Kudlacik 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

We have yet another mass surrender of cockatiels (33 in Palo Alto). Is there any way we can use this madness for a little PR?

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Re: [Media-advisors] can we use this INSANITY for a press release/story?
by Pamela Lee 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Two became 19? Sounds like rabbits! Sent from my Peek - Pam ------------------------------------- Michelle Yesney<msyesney(a)gmail.com> wrote: The Santa Cruz flock are the progeny of a pair of tiels bought originally from a "family" owned pet store in Santa Cruz. When we got the 19 birds, they were suffering the effect of long term malnutrition and overcrowding. One died, one almost died. We should see if we can get any information on where this new group came from originally. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Martha Kudlacik <marthak816(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'll see what I can put together re the dots. > > On 9/21/10, Patricia Blau <pblau(a)sonic.net> wrote: > > Maybe so. Can we connect the dots of several of these & do an > > article about mass dumpings? (I haven't been keeping track.) - do > > we have intelligence on several, where we can see a pattern or > > specific causes? It would also seem to be an opportunity to note the > > legislation issue, as a comment (I don't see that as the main thrust, > > but we could connect it, I suspect). > > > > > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Martha Kudlacik wrote: > > > >> We have yet another mass surrender of cockatiels (33 in Palo Alto). > >> Is there any way we can use this madness for a little PR? > >> > > > > > > > >

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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Pamela Lee 18 Sep '10

18 Sep '10

I'm ok with the commission making the official response Sent on the go from my Peek ------------------------------------- Elizabeth Young<adoptkings(a)gmail.com> wrote: See Commissioners Philip and Pam's response below (and before) mine. I don't know that Mickaboo needs to do anything else... unless ACC feels differently? e ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elizabeth Young <adoptkings(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net>, Sally Stephens < stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>, Rebecca Katz <Rebecca.Katz(a)sfgov.org>, Kat Brown <Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org>, pambudgie(a)yahoo.com, tammyazzaro(a)gmail.com As a bird rescuer, I have found that it would be very easy to give birds away. The challenge is to find adopters who will provide the proper diet, large enough and bird-safe cages and environments; behavioral and social support to address the birds' screaming, plucking, biting, fearfulness, etc., avian vet care (not just euthanasia) FOR THE BIRD'S LIFETIME (without breeding or rehoming). And to verify all of the above with direct involvement, including home visits. And since every bird that arrives at SFACC has already been failed by the "pet system" in that somebody either surrendered them, lost them or set them "free", I think they deserve a second and different sort of chance than just being given away. I'm preaching to the choir but wanted to make the distinction. I've attached a copy of the Mickaboo Adoption Contract to show the difference. Thanks, Elizabeth On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I totally agree. Both AFA and PIJAC seem to be cut from the same cloth. > However, we are going to need to respond to this proposal in a serious > fashion. Should the response come from the Commission or from ACC? > > Pam > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net>wrote: > >> Her replies seem simplistic. We can all rest easy now that AFA had taken >> care of the problem. Why did they wait until now to do this? Just a >> coincidence that we were considering a ban on bird sales? >> >> >> Here's a quote from Mira's book "Of Parrots and People, page 121, "The >> AFA, widely recognized as the preeminent organization representing >> professional breeders, came out in strong opposition to the CA bill banning >> the sale of unweaned birds in pet shops when the measure was proposed. >> Though the Kansas-based federation has several education and conservation >> related endeavors, its primary purpose is to ensure that *no* regulations >> inhibit its industry. AFA people consider legislation regulating birds as an >> assault said one AFA leader." >> >> Philip >> >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Pam Hemphill wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good >> intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you >> think. >> Pam >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Mary Ellen LePage <mail(a)birds2pet.com> >> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM >> Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds >> To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> >> Cc: Marilyn Hawley <mhawley44(a)aol.com> >> >> >> Dear Pam, >> >> >> Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my >> computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft >> help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs >> re-installed and the mail files found. >> >> >> In answer to your questions: >> >> With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot >> find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird >> back? >> >> >> Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will >> be able to place most birds. >> >> >> Regarding your second bullet point, what does "pet quality" mean? >> >> >> Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even >> some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like >> them for their other characteristics - beauty, talking ability, antics, >> song, etc. >> >> >> Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the "other alternatives" for >> "apparently ill" birds? >> >> >> That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped >> birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open >> their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my >> congenitally blind dog. Some "rescues" have donation funds to care for sick >> but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their >> birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary >> care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that >> euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might >> include birds with serious bird viral diseases. >> >> >> What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, >> or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that >> way. >> >> >> These are the birds we most want to help. >> >> >> Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds? >> >> >> The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be >> done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match >> available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The >> re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document >> stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible >> health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the >> City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any >> problems. >> >> >> How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or >> breeders or go to a sanctuary or? >> >> >> All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, >> breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, >> zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember. >> >> Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill? >> >> >> The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you >> are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important >> part of San Francisco. >> >> >> >> Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may >> need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it >> and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It >> would be an interesting pilot program. I don't expect 100% success with >> re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high. >> >> >> Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get >> final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next >> meeting is the end of October. >> >> >> Thank You. >> >> Mary Ellen LePage >> >> >> >> >> >> *Pam Hemphill, Commissioner >> Animal Control and Welfare Commission* >> *San Francisco, California* >> >> >> > -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org <http://www.rescuereport.org/> www.MickaCoo.org <http://www.mickacoo.org/> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0 -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

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Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Elizabeth Young 18 Sep '10

18 Sep '10

See Commissioners Philip and Pam's response below (and before) mine. I don't know that Mickaboo needs to do anything else... unless ACC feels differently? e ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elizabeth Young <adoptkings(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net>, Sally Stephens < stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>, Rebecca Katz <Rebecca.Katz(a)sfgov.org>, Kat Brown <Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org>, pambudgie(a)yahoo.com, tammyazzaro(a)gmail.com As a bird rescuer, I have found that it would be very easy to give birds away. The challenge is to find adopters who will provide the proper diet, large enough and bird-safe cages and environments; behavioral and social support to address the birds' screaming, plucking, biting, fearfulness, etc., avian vet care (not just euthanasia) FOR THE BIRD'S LIFETIME (without breeding or rehoming). And to verify all of the above with direct involvement, including home visits. And since every bird that arrives at SFACC has already been failed by the "pet system" in that somebody either surrendered them, lost them or set them "free", I think they deserve a second and different sort of chance than just being given away. I'm preaching to the choir but wanted to make the distinction. I've attached a copy of the Mickaboo Adoption Contract to show the difference. Thanks, Elizabeth On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I totally agree. Both AFA and PIJAC seem to be cut from the same cloth. > However, we are going to need to respond to this proposal in a serious > fashion. Should the response come from the Commission or from ACC? > > Pam > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net>wrote: > >> Her replies seem simplistic. We can all rest easy now that AFA had taken >> care of the problem. Why did they wait until now to do this? Just a >> coincidence that we were considering a ban on bird sales? >> >> >> Here's a quote from Mira's book "Of Parrots and People, page 121, "The >> AFA, widely recognized as the preeminent organization representing >> professional breeders, came out in strong opposition to the CA bill banning >> the sale of unweaned birds in pet shops when the measure was proposed. >> Though the Kansas-based federation has several education and conservation >> related endeavors, its primary purpose is to ensure that *no* regulations >> inhibit its industry. AFA people consider legislation regulating birds as an >> assault said one AFA leader." >> >> Philip >> >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Pam Hemphill wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good >> intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you >> think. >> Pam >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Mary Ellen LePage <mail(a)birds2pet.com> >> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM >> Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds >> To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> >> Cc: Marilyn Hawley <mhawley44(a)aol.com> >> >> >> Dear Pam, >> >> >> Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my >> computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft >> help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs >> re-installed and the mail files found. >> >> >> In answer to your questions: >> >> With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot >> find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird >> back? >> >> >> Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will >> be able to place most birds. >> >> >> Regarding your second bullet point, what does “pet quality” mean? >> >> >> Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even >> some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like >> them for their other characteristics – beauty, talking ability, antics, >> song, etc. >> >> >> Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the “other alternatives” for >> “apparently ill” birds? >> >> >> That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped >> birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open >> their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my >> congenitally blind dog. Some “rescues” have donation funds to care for sick >> but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their >> birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary >> care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that >> euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might >> include birds with serious bird viral diseases. >> >> >> What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, >> or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that >> way. >> >> >> These are the birds we most want to help. >> >> >> Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds? >> >> >> The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be >> done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match >> available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The >> re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document >> stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible >> health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the >> City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any >> problems. >> >> >> How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or >> breeders or go to a sanctuary or? >> >> >> All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, >> breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, >> zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember. >> >> Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill? >> >> >> The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you >> are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important >> part of San Francisco. >> >> >> >> Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may >> need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it >> and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It >> would be an interesting pilot program. I don’t expect 100% success with >> re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high. >> >> >> Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get >> final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next >> meeting is the end of October. >> >> >> Thank You. >> >> Mary Ellen LePage >> >> >> >> >> >> *Pam Hemphill, Commissioner >> Animal Control and Welfare Commission* >> *San Francisco, California* >> >> >> > -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org <http://www.rescuereport.org/> www.MickaCoo.org <http://www.mickacoo.org/> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0 -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

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FW: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Elizabeth Y 17 Sep '10

17 Sep '10

-----Original Message----- From: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:52 PM To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Sally Stephens <stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>; Rebecca Katz <Rebecca.Katz(a)sfgov.org>; Kat Brown <Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org>; adoptkings(a)gmail.com; pambudgie(a)yahoo.com; tammyazzaro(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage Her replies seem simplistic. We can all rest easy now that AFA had taken care of the problem. Why did they wait until now to do this? Just a coincidence that we were considering a ban on bird sales? Here's a quote from Mira's book "Of Parrots and People, page 121, "The AFA, widely recognized as the preeminent organization representing professional breeders, came out in strong opposition to the CA bill banning the sale of unweaned birds in pet shops when the measure was proposed. Though the Kansas-based federation has several education and conservation related endeavors, its primary purpose is to ensure that no regulations inhibit its industry. AFA people consider legislation regulating birds as an assault said one AFA leader." Philip On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Pam Hemphill wrote: Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage <mail(a)birds2pet.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Marilyn Hawley <mhawley44(a)aol.com> Dear Pam, Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found. In answer to your questions: With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back? Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds. Regarding your second bullet point, what does pet quality mean? Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc. Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the other alternatives for apparently ill birds? That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some rescues have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases. What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way. These are the birds we most want to help. Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds? The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems. How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or? All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember. Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill? The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco. Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I dont expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high. Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October. Thank You. Mary Ellen LePage Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission San Francisco, California

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Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Pamela Lee 17 Sep '10

17 Sep '10

And I especially like the thought that we have funds lying around for each bird we have in foster care, waiting for them to get sick. If only! Sent from my Peek - Pam ------------------------------------- From: Pam Hemphill<pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> To: glassgerrie@earthlink.net;stephensfw@mindspring.com;Rebecca.Katz@sfgov.org;Kat.Brown@sfgov.org;adoptkings@gmail.com;pambudgie@yahoo.com;tammyazzaro@gmail.com Subject: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage Date: Sep 16, 1:58 PM Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage <mail(a)birds2pet.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Marilyn Hawley <mhawley44(a)aol.com> Dear Pam, Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found. In answer to your questions: With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back? Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds. Regarding your second bullet point, what does "pet quality" mean? Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics - beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc. Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the "other alternatives" for "apparently ill" birds? That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some "rescues" have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases. What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way. These are the birds we most want to help. Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds? The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems. How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or? All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember. Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill? The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco. Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I don't expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high. Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October. Thank You. Mary Ellen LePage *Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission* *San Francisco, California*

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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Pamela Lee 16 Sep '10

16 Sep '10

Yeah - she's basically offering a dating service (matching birds to homes) without marriage counseling (ie education) Sent on the go from my Peek ------------------------------------- Vincent J. Hrovat<1217(a)vhrovat.org> wrote: If we could hold them accountable for doing what they claim they want to do without it affecting Mickaboo operations or proposed legislation, it would at least be a good experience for them. Obviously, Ms. LePage has NO IDEA what she is signing her organization up for and it would do her and her organization good to see what really happens on the front lines of animal rescue. Unfortunately, if they wanted to be held accountable they would already be doing something and would not be trying to extort the legitimate animal rescues with this lame attempt at a bargaining chip. I�m not sure if there�s a way that we can get any leverage out of this at all. --VH From: media-advisors-bounces(a)mickaboo.org [mailto:media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Blau Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM To: Mickaboo media advisor team Subject: Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage seemingly good intentions, unintended consequences On Sep 16, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Vincent J. Hrovat wrote: Her answer reminds me of when I was six years old and was determined to build a rocket ship out of some old plywood and an electric fan motor. It seemed so easy and I was so na�ve . . . . --VH From: media-advisors-bounces(a)mickaboo.org [mailto:media-advisors-bounces@mickaboo.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:17 PM To: Mickaboo media advisor team Subject: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM Subject: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net>, Sally Stephens <stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>, Rebecca Katz <Rebecca.Katz(a)sfgov.org>, Kat Brown <Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org>, adoptkings(a)gmail.com, pambudgie(a)yahoo.com, tammyazzaro(a)gmail.com Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage <mail(a)birds2pet.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Marilyn Hawley <mhawley44(a)aol.com> Dear Pam, Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found. In answer to your questions: With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back? Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds. Regarding your second bullet point, what does �pet quality� mean? Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics � beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc. Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the �other alternatives� for �apparently ill� birds? That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some �rescues� have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases. What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way. These are the birds we most want to help. Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds? The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems. How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or? All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember. Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill? The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco. Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I don�t expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high. Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October. Thank You. Mary Ellen LePage Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission San Francisco, California -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Pamela Lee 16 Sep '10

16 Sep '10

Misssing the point - with regard to what we do as well as the overall objectives - is putting it mildly. Sent from my Peek - Pam ------------------------------------- Elizabeth Young<adoptkings(a)gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM Subject: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net>, Sally Stephens < stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>, Rebecca Katz <Rebecca.Katz(a)sfgov.org>, Kat Brown <Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org>, adoptkings(a)gmail.com, pambudgie(a)yahoo.com, tammyazzaro(a)gmail.com Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage <mail(a)birds2pet.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Marilyn Hawley <mhawley44(a)aol.com> Dear Pam, Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found. In answer to your questions: With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back? Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds. Regarding your second bullet point, what does "pet quality" mean? Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics - beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc. Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the "other alternatives" for "apparently ill" birds? That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some "rescues" have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases. What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way. These are the birds we most want to help. Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds? The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems. How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or? All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember. Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill? The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco. Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I don't expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high. Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October. Thank You. Mary Ellen LePage *Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission* *San Francisco, California* -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

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Re: [Media-advisors] Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Jonathan Harris 16 Sep '10

16 Sep '10

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Fwd: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage
by Elizabeth Young 16 Sep '10

16 Sep '10

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM Subject: Answers to questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds/ from Mary Ellen LePage To: Philip Gerrie <glassgerrie(a)earthlink.net>, Sally Stephens < stephensfw(a)mindspring.com>, Rebecca Katz <Rebecca.Katz(a)sfgov.org>, Kat Brown <Kat.Brown(a)sfgov.org>, adoptkings(a)gmail.com, pambudgie(a)yahoo.com, tammyazzaro(a)gmail.com Hi all, This is Mary Ellen's response. Somehow I think that she has good intentions, but definitely does not see the full picture. See what you think. Pam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mary Ellen LePage <mail(a)birds2pet.com> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Questions regarding the AFA proposal for re-homing birds To: Pam Hemphill <pam.hemphill(a)gmail.com> Cc: Marilyn Hawley <mhawley44(a)aol.com> Dear Pam, Please forgive the tardy response. I had started to respond before my computer self-destructed (thanks to the incompetent staff at the Microsoft help desk). It has taken me this long to get some of my programs re-installed and the mail files found. In answer to your questions: With regard to your first bullet point, what happens if the AFA cannot find a new home and the person who surrendered the bird cannot take the bird back? Then you will be in no worse a situation then you are now. I think I will be able to place most birds. Regarding your second bullet point, what does “pet quality” mean? Pet quality usually means that the bird is handleable, but there are even some people that do not require their pet bird to be handleable. Some like them for their other characteristics – beauty, talking ability, antics, song, etc. Regarding your sixth bullet point, what are the “other alternatives” for “apparently ill” birds? That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Handicapped birds are usually very adoptable. There is usually someone that will open their heart and home to a handicapped bird. For example, I dearly love my congenitally blind dog. Some “rescues” have donation funds to care for sick but curable birds. Currently Mickaboo has donation funds to give all their birds veterinary care. They could use those funds to only give veterinary care to the birds that really need it. Some birds are so sick that euthanasia might be appropriate to save them pain and suffering. This might include birds with serious bird viral diseases. What about birds that are abandoned in an apartment, or found in a park, or a backyard, etc. and have no known owner? Many birds come to ACC in that way. These are the birds we most want to help. Does the AFA provide any vet care for birds? The AFA will not provide any kind of care. All care and transport will be done entirely by the adopting member. I will only set up a system to match available birds with educated members willing to re-home the bird. The re-homer will have to sign a legally approved Informed Consent document stating that the total care is their responsibility, that all possible health risks are identified and that they agree to the risk, and that the City of San Francisco and AFA will be held harmless if there are any problems. How will the surrendered birds live out their lives? Will they be pets or breeders or go to a sanctuary or? All of above and more. Eligible members would include pet owners, breeders, veterinarians and vet techs, rescues, sanctuaries, behaviorists, zoos, and probably more that I cannot remember. Does the offer extend to the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill? The offer extends to all exotic birds brought to your agency. I hope you are not planning to try to capture the wild parrots. They are an important part of San Francisco. Please note that this is not a contract and that this draft proposal may need to be changed by either you or us as we are working our way through it and identifying situations that might need to be addressed differently. It would be an interesting pilot program. I don’t expect 100% success with re-homing all birds, but I think the percentage will be high. Please also note that if you agree to this proposal, I will have to get final approval from my AFA Board of Directors that meet quarterly. The next meeting is the end of October. Thank You. Mary Ellen LePage *Pam Hemphill, Commissioner Animal Control and Welfare Commission* *San Francisco, California* -- Elizabeth Until they all have homes, don't buy, don't breed- adopt. www.RescueReport.org www.MickaCoo.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjyooh3Yo0

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